I’m The One! (or How to Stop Fighting)

A couple of months ago, I went to a therapist training seminar for Imago Relationship Therapy.  This is the theory proposed by Harville Hendrix in his books “Getting the Love You Want”, “Keeping the Love You Find,” “Receiving Love,” and “Giving the Love They Need”.  They are good reads…I totally recommend them.  I had the pleasure of hearing lectures from Dr. Hendrix himself for one of the days of the seminar.  He said something that resonated with me, and I thought I’d share.

Dr. Hendrix was discussing how in the womb we are connected, to our mothers and the universe.  Then that connection is severed.  We are born without any psychological walls into an imperfect world.  We then learn, from our first experiences in this world, to disconnect with others….that everyone is here to serve us!  We cry and we’re changed, cuddled, fed, burped, or whatever.  Our every need is met by someone else, and for the most part, pretty promptly!  We learn to see others as objects to meet our needs.  We learn to be self-centered.  We learn that it’s our world, and everyone else just lives in it…to serve us!  We learn to objectify people instead of connect with them.

Through adolescence, we start to take care of ourselves some, but as little as we can get away with, usually.  Eventually, we may learn to take pretty good care of our physical needs.  Some of us even become very other-centered in our actions; but, are we really selfless?  Even being other-centered many times has selfish motives underneath: we want to be loved, accepted, looked-up to, good enough for God, etc.  Many people stay quite openly self-centered throughout their lives, too.  We see others as objects, there to meet our needs.

This happens in particular in our marriages.  We find someone who matches the (usually worst) characteristics of our primary caregivers growing up, someone who will be specifically ill-equipped to meet our deepest needs, and then we try to squeeze blood from the proverbial turnip.  Deep down, we really haven’t given up the idea that the other person’s mission in life should be to meet our needs.  That’s why we get married, right?  “Now we’re together, so start coughing-up the need-meeting!”  We also believe that after 20-30-40-50 some years on this planet, that we have the absolute truth, and best way to live, figured out.  How I see the world is the right way to see it!

Dr. Hendrix described this attitude like this, he said married couples see each other as if  “You and I are one, and I’m the one!”  Isn’t it the truth!  After all, I know who my lover is down deep, how he/she should act, how they should meet my needs, how they feel about me, and the best way for us to live together….”WHY CAN’T HE/SHE JUST SEE THAT I’M RIGHT?!!”  Come on, you’ve said that one, at least in your head, admit it.  “If he would just do this for me…”  “If she would just…then I would be happy, and our lives would be great.”  Right?  Now let me ask you this…what would happen if you were to say…”If I would just…”?  Think about that one for a minute.  (You are the only one you can control anyway.)

Have you ever answered a question about how your spouse thinks or feels and been dead wrong?  That’s because we project what we believe onto our spouses, sure that we are right, and they look at us like we have no idea who they are.  We all do it, until we learn otherwise.  Being able to realize that there are TWO people in the relationship, each with different world views, and developing a healthy curiosity about our spouse’s world/reality is the first step out of fighting hell.  Fighting is really about going to war over which one of your world-views is going to win out as “the way we do things in our family.”  I’m the one, so we do things how I want, and we meet MY needs!  Get with the program, lover!  We are all still two-years-old when we act like this.  If you are not collaborative with your spouse, and instead attempt to annihilate their world-view to conform to yours, you will succeed in living in fighting hell until you kill your marriage/relationship.

Being able to accept that the other person has a different world view than you do is essential, as is defending it as valid.  (Yes, defend THEIR world view as valid!  Try that one on for size.)  You probably don’t know them as well as you think.  Find out.  Be curious about them.  Avoid negativity like the plague.  Invite them to share how they REALLY think with you.  Be open.  Be vulnerable. It’s not easy.  Digging in our defenses will not create changes in our relationships.  It will pour cement over things the way they are.  It’s a paradox.  Acceptance and curiosity will invite collaboration, safety, love, connection, AND changes.  Sounds good, doesn’t it?  It is.  Give it a try.

I could go on and on about this (I already have)…but I’ll stop here for today.  Try being curious next time you’re about to fight with your lover.  See what their world view is all about.  After they pick their jaw up’n off the ground, you will have a MUCH more productive chat!  They may even be curious about your point of view.  Wouldn’t that be something!  Who’s going to be the one to drop their defenses and be vulnerable first?  Can you say, “I’m the one?”

Thanks for stopping by.  Have a great week!

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LSW is an individual, marital, and family therapist. She specializes in couples and marriage counseling, individual counseling, group and family counseling. Nancy serves the surrounding areas of Carmel, Westfield, Zionsville, Fishers, and Noblesville. E-Counseling available for residents of Indiana.

©2011, Nancy Eisenman

 

A couple of months ago, I went to a therapist training seminar for Imago Relationship Therapy.  This is the theory proposed by Harville Hendrix in his books “Getting the Love You Want”, “Keeping the Love You Find,” “Receiving Love,” and “Giving the Love They Need”.  They are good reads…I totally recommend them.  I had the pleasure of hearing lectures from Dr. Hendrix himself for one of the days of the seminar.  He said something that resonated with me, and I thought I’d share.

Dr. Hendrix was discussing how in the womb we are connected, to our mothers and the universe.  Then that connection is severed.  We are born without any psychological walls into an imperfect world.  We then learn, from our first experiences in this world, to disconnect with others….that everyone is here to serve us!  We cry and we’re changed, cuddled, fed, burped, or whatever.  Our every need is met by someone else, and for the most part, pretty promptly!  We learn to see others as objects to meet our needs.  We learn to be self-centered.  We learn that it’s our world, and everyone else just lives in it…to serve us!  We learn to objectify people instead of connect with them.

Through adolescence, we start to take care of ourselves some, but as little as we can get away with, usually.  Eventually, we may learn to take pretty good care of our physical needs.  Some of us even become very other-centered in our actions; but, are we really selfless?  Even being other-centered many times has selfish motives underneath: we want to be loved, accepted, looked-up to, good enough for God, etc.  Many people stay quite openly self-centered throughout their lives, too.  We see others as objects, there to meet our needs.

This happens in particular in our marriages.  We find someone who matches the (usually worst) characteristics of our primary caregivers growing up, someone who will be specifically ill-equipped to meet our deepest needs, and then we try to squeeze blood from the proverbial turnip.  Deep down, we really haven’t given up the idea that the other person’s mission in life should be to meet our needs.  That’s why we get married, right?  “Now we’re together, so start coughing-up the need-meeting!”  We also believe that after 20-30-40-50 some years on this planet, that we have the absolute truth, and best way to live, figured out.  How I see the world is the right way to see it!

Dr. Hendrix described this attitude like this, he said married couples see each other as if  “You and I are one, and I’m the one!”  Isn’t it the truth!  After all, I know who my lover is down deep, how he/she should act, how they should meet my needs, how they feel about me, and the best way for us to live together….”WHY CAN’T HE/SHE JUST SEE THAT I’M RIGHT?!!”  Come on, you’ve said that one, at least in your head, admit it.  “If he would just do this for me…”  “If she would just…then I would be happy, and our lives would be great.”  Right?  Now let me ask you this…what would happen if you were to say…”If I would just…”?  Think about that one for a minute.  (You are the only one you can control anyway.)

Have you ever answered a question about how your spouse thinks or feels and been dead wrong?  That’s because we project what we believe onto our spouses, sure that we are right, and they look at us like we have no idea who they are.  We all do it, until we learn otherwise.  Being able to realize that there are TWO people in the relationship, each with different world views, and developing a healthy curiosity about our spouse’s world/reality is the first step out of fighting hell.  Fighting is really about going to war over which one of your world-views is going to win out as “the way we do things in our family.”  I’m the one, so we do things how I want, and we meet MY needs!  Get with the program, lover!  We are all still two-years-old when we act like this.  If you are not collaborative with your spouse, and instead attempt to annihilate their world-view to conform to yours, you will succeed in living in fighting hell until you kill your marriage/relationship.

Being able to accept that the other person has a different world view than you do is essential, as is defending it as valid.  (Yes, defend THEIR world view as valid!  Try that one on for size.)  You probably don’t know them as well as you think.  Find out.  Be curious about them.  Avoid negativity like the plague.  Invite them to share how they REALLY think with you.  Be open.  Be vulnerable. It’s not easy.  Digging in our defenses will not create changes in our relationships.  It will pour cement over things the way they are.  It’s a paradox.  Acceptance and curiosity will invite collaboration, safety, love, connection, AND changes.  Sounds good, doesn’t it?  It is.  Give it a try.

I could go on and on about this (I already have)…but I’ll stop here for today.  Try being curious next time you’re about to fight with your lover.  See what their world view is all about.  After they pick their jaw up’n off the ground, you will have a MUCH more productive chat!  They may even be curious about your point of view.  Wouldn’t that be something!  Who’s going to be the one to drop their defenses and be vulnerable first?  Can you say, “I’m the one?”

Thanks for stopping by.  Have a great week!

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LSW is an individual, marital, and family therapist. She specializes in couples and marriage counseling, individual counseling, group and family counseling. Nancy serves the surrounding areas of Carmel, Westfield, Zionsville, Fishers, and Noblesville. E-Counseling available for residents of Indiana.

©2011, Nancy Eisenman

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LCSW is a therapist at Peace Counseling Group, serving the greater Indianapolis area. Surrounding communities include Carmel, Westfield, Fishers, Geist, Noblesville, Brownsburg, and Avon. For more information, please use the contact form or call Nancy directly at 317.605.7015.

Address: 9640 Commerce Drive
Suite 413 Carmel, IN 46032

Phone:  317.605.7015

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I Have You Under My Control

I had a client ask me one time, “Where does peace come from?” You see, I have a mug in my office that has a saying on it about peace, and I think it captures the feeling that most everyone that comes to therapy is looking for…it reads: “Peace. It does not mean to be in a place where there is no noise, trouble, or hard work. It means to be in the midst of those things and still be calm in your heart.”

We’re not so naïve as to think that there won’t be trouble or hard work in our lives. We know there will be. We don’t expect to always feel amazing and filled with joy, for our marriages to always be perfect, or to never have problems. Yet when these things happen to us, why do we let our peace be stolen?

If we believe a myth that our peace comes from our circumstances, we are precariously perched for pain and disappointment indeed. We are susceptible to all kinds of misery and joy, that is the nature of the human condition, but we will not be truly peaceful while we are doing either one if we believe that our peace is dependent on what is happening to us. Even when good things are happening in our lives, if we believe our contentment comes from what is going on externally, it will still elude us because we will still be trying to control how long the good stuff lasts, the same as we try to control how long the bad stuff lasts. We try to manage others and our environment instead of ourselves.

When my client asked me where peace comes from, my answer had several facets. I believe peace comes from letting go of the myth that I have more control than I actually do. I think peace comes from relinquishing the expectation that others can make me feel… feel bad or good or angry or sad or jealous or anxious. They can hold up the mirror to attachments or beliefs that I have that aren’t serving me very well, but the truth is that no one can make me feel anything without my cooperation.

I believe that peace cannot live inside me if I am overly focused on things I cannot change or things that may or may not happen. I believe that the acquisition of peace is a by-product of letting go of unhealthy attachments and beliefs. It comes after walking the valley of the shadow of death through my own deepest darkest places to the beautiful light at the other end of the tunnel. As Robert Frost would say, it is the road less traveled, and it truly does make all the difference.

I think of peace as the hallmark, the prize that one receives in their feelings when they are emotionally fit. Like being physically fit, working through emotional issues requires showing up, working out, practice, study, dedication, repetition, focus, motivation, and stamina. By the way, it also takes a truck-load of courage.

This process isn’t for the feint at heart. Many people go to a great deal of time, effort, and expense to AVOID working through this stuff. (That’s what addictions are, for example.) My question to you is, how bad do you want it? Real peace…is it worth the work, the time, the effort, all of it? I’ve taken many people on the walk to peace…well, sometimes it’s more like an army crawl through the mud, but we make it. I continue to walk it out myself every day and will continue to grow in this way for the rest of my life. That’s why I named my practice Peace Counseling Group. Would you like to join me and the others who have gone before you? It’s up to you, the quality of your relationships and how you feel for the rest of your life depends on you.

I hope you will join me, and those who work with me, on this amazing journey. Whomever shows up hungry will leave full of new ways to think about relationships and life. I want the best for all of our clients, life-long changes, not just bandaids. My colleagues and I are ready to go when you are.

Sincerely,

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LCSW

Owner, Peace Counseling Group

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Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LCSW is a therapist at Peace Counseling Group, serving the greater Indianapolis area. Surrounding communities include Carmel, Westfield, Fishers, Geist, Noblesville, Brownsburg, and Avon. For more information, please use the contact form or call Nancy directly at 317.605.7015.

Address: 9640 Commerce Drive
Suite 413 Carmel, IN 46032

Phone:  317.605.7015

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That Dangerous “E” Word

I have had the same word coming up over and over in my mind, crossing my path in several different situations and contexts, for the past few months. For whatever reason, it’s just been a glaring theme that keeps popping into my head. To me, that says it’s time for a blog! Read on with caution, though, because I’m about to share with you a sort of new potential “swear word.” Have you ever heard of the potentially dastardly and dangerous “E” word? (And no, I’m not talking about an electronic word!)

What word is that? It’s a happiness and contentment killer. It’s a mindset that encourages us to be judgemental. It’s a relationship trap. It describes a potentially damaging state of mind called “Expectation.” We can have directionally positive or negative expectations, and both can be bad news. An example of a negative expectation would be a prejudice. A prejudice really is an expectation of someone to act or behave a certain way based on how they look, etc. An example of what could be called an (overly) positive expectation would be thinking, “I should have gotten 3 times this much from you for my birthday!”

All of us have expectations. At times, they can keep us safe. We expect that if we jump in a lake full of hungry alligators that we just might be killed and eaten by an alligator! It’s how we learn and how we can anticipate what might happen next in any given situation. We go to school with the expectation that someone will be there to teach us something. Our expectations are based on our experiences, both in childhood and with people we are in relationships with for any length of time throughout our lives. We develop expectations for people in general, (civilizations, groups, and random individuals) and for specific people with whom we are in a closer relationship.

Expectations can be so very dangerous, however, if they are not vigilantly monitored, tended to, and kept at a reasonable level. They can so quickly, and sometimes stealthily, become unreasonable and cause us to become manipulative, controlling, or even hateful. They can become joy-thieves. I’ll give you just a few examples of where the pitfalls can be:

  1. Be especially careful on what I call “Days of Love”. These would include Valentine’s Day, Mother’s and Father’s Day, birthdays, CHRISTmas, etc. On days where the world or customs tell us it is time to show our loved ones how much we care, we can fall into a trap of expectation. Consider the pain inflicted on the giver when a gift or gesture is deemed “not good enough.” It is shaming, critical, and it is an attempt to control, or I like to say “yank” love out of someone; perhaps more than they are willing or inclined to give. (When a child deems a gift to be not good enough, they may be called a “spoiled brat.” I know many-a spoiled brat adult, and their continued inflated expectations, although sometimes more subtle, do NOT get easier to stomach with age!) Try to accept and remember this: You will never get true, heartfelt love by trying to yank it out of your sweet one, or by having the attitude that what they have done is not good enough. Instead, love without expectation of what you will get in return. Receive even small gifts as what they are…acts of genuine love.
  2. Watch for e-word dangers at work. There can be too high expectations placed on bosses, coworkers, or employees that can cause all sorts of problems ranging from burnout to back-biting, making for a very unpleasant and unproductive work environment.
  3. Be careful what you expect from your kids. Remember to consider their age and emotional maturity before confronting them on unmet expectations. This can be SO damaging to them, causing shame issues, insecurities, abandonment, and more.
When it comes down to it, expectations can be relationship killers. When too high OR too low, they can be straight-up toxic to ourselves and others! Remember that our expectations are an indicator of our own filters and stem from our own experiences (and ultimately woundedness), not necessarily someone else’s beliefs. We just THINK that they ought to think and act the way we want them to! That is not the reality of the situation, though. It’s controlling and yanking! I’m not saying that we shouldn’t have any expectations of people, because our needs would continually go unmet and we would be too codependent. We have to have good boundaries or we will be drained dry.  Just pay attention and keep it real. Invite people to give what you need, and then stand back and let them give it of their own free will. If they choose not to, you have to let them choose it! Eventually you may have to choose someone else who is willing to meet your needs. When you find those that will meet your reasonable needs without you expecting them to, you will have found a true friend/love. The best way to find it is to be it!

Now, no more swearing! Keep expectations on a tight leash. Give the love you want instead of yanking or criticizing what you get. That’s how to prepare the feast that you really yearn to dine on…genuine abundant love and joy!

That’s it for today! Thanks for stopping by.

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LSW is an individual, marital, and family therapist. She specializes in couples and marriage counseling, individual counseling, group and family counseling. Nancy serves the surrounding areas of Carmel, Westfield, Zionsville, Fishers, and Noblesville. E-Counseling available for residents of Indiana.

©2010, Nancy Eisenman

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LCSW is a therapist at Peace Counseling Group, serving the greater Indianapolis area. Surrounding communities include Carmel, Westfield, Fishers, Geist, Noblesville, Brownsburg, and Avon. For more information, please use the contact form or call Nancy directly at 317.605.7015.

Address: 9640 Commerce Drive
Suite 413 Carmel, IN 46032

Phone:  317.605.7015

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Codependency, Counterdependency, & Giving, Part 3

As I said before, there are many books covering the subject of codependency with a spouse or in other relationships. What if we took that a step further? What if someone is being codependent with something inanimate? Let me give you an example of a guy, we’ll call him Joe. What if Joe goes to work every day and comes home feeling unfulfilled, drained, and mentally exhausted? Joe is giving his all at work, and when he gets home there is nothing left for his wife and kids…or even if Joe’s not married, he doesn’t have enough for himself left at the end of the day. He’s giving too much. What is his payoff? You may say, “well, duh, the payoff is his paycheck.” Certainly that is something that is necessary. But why is Joe trading his long-term, life peace for a career that drains him? Is it really just money? Is HDTV really worth dreading his life’s work? In the case of workaholics, it goes even further…is it worth losing a marriage and having his kids grow up not knowing him? My bet is that Joe has some pretty huge fears going on. These fears are nothing to sneeze at, they are deep-seated and are rooted in childhood. (That’s a whole ‘nother subject, maybe another blog!) Let’s take a look at this situation another way though, through our current lens of codependency, and see what happens.

Joe is really giving to something that doesn’t meet enough of his needs in return. Maybe it’s meeting his needs for money, he may even believe in what he does; but it leaves him completely unbalanced in the rest of his life. That makes it unhealthy. When something drains a person like that and they continue doing it, they have become codependent with it. He has actually become a slave to it. Joe may say things like “I hate my job,” and he actually subconsciously “blames” work for taking too much and not meeting his other needs, for not praising him enough, for not giving back as much as he gives to it, or for not paying him enough. Now doesn’t that sound a lot like the codependency we’ve been talking about? Joe signed on for a certain job, amount of hours, type of work; and then he hates the job for taking too much. He gets fed up, angry, etc. and perhaps changes jobs…and then more than likely ends up in another job he doesn’t enjoy and does it all over again. Why? Because he’s only changed jobs, not the way he interacts with work, or the fears deep within himself.

It’s just like finding a new relationship, and reverting back to the same codependent ways. But really, if you’re like Joe…how can you blame an inanimate thing like your job for draining you? Your job doesn’t have behaviors or attitudes toward you. It just is. You may not even realize you are doing it, but look closely. Just as in relationships with people, you have a choice who you call friend, and how you interact with them (your attitude). And also just like with people, changing YOU can make all the difference in your relationship with your job, even if the job doesn’t change. You can change what you do, say, and think, change your boundaries with it, and doing so can completely change your relationship with anything, even work.

So what to do? You can leave your job and get another, and that very well could be the best thing and should be considered. If you are in a job that you know you would love if things/people/circumstances there were different, consider instead changing YOU and your attitude and becoming more interdependent with the job you have. The first thing you need to do is recognize and face your fears. One of the counselors in our practice, Jerry Wise, says that for codependents with this kind of deep-seated fear, “a known unhealthy thing is still far less scary than an unknown good thing.” It takes courage to consider and implement a changed lifestyle and attitude, venturing into the unknown. It takes courage to be there for yourself and make choices that can have consequences out of our comfort zones. It takes courage to have a voice and stand up for our needs, and to have good boundaries.

It’s very difficult and awkward to look inward and stand up and have a voice with “job”, (it doesn’t even have ears!), but stick with me. (By the way, I would insert here that I am not talking about having a voice with your employer. You certainly can do that if it is needed, but what I’m talking about is having a voice with yourself, and your own attitude regarding your job.) So the first question to ask yourself is this: “What are my needs from my job?” Of course we all work to make money and pay bills. It is necessity of life, after all. But ask yourself if you are expecting too much from your work. Are you really counterdependent underneath? Looking to your job to meet needs that it can’t? Looking toward your job to give you pats on the back and thanked, and so you can feel as if doing your job makes you a well-thought-of, worthwhile person? Are you only doing your job because that is what is expected of you, and you need the “attaboys”? Are you doing your job because making lots of money is what is expected of you?

So what does a changed attitude with your job, or any other inanimate object for that matter, look like? First, get your expectations down to realistic levels. Voice to yourself or write down, “this is what I can expect from my job, this is what I can’t.” Say in your own mind, “I need ‘this’ to have my needs met with work.” Then determine if your current job is doing that for you. If you need your work to make you feel worthwhile, you really are barking up the wrong tree. You need to feel worthwhile on the inside regardless of your work. If people at work, or the work itself (as can be the case with those who work in service of people daily) is draining, you are giving what you don’t have. In that case you need better self-care and better boundaries. If you want your work to give you pats on the back and you’re not getting that need met, the problem is a hole in your heart, not a problem with your job. If you’re doing your job because making a lot of money is what is expected of you, look at what is really realistic to meet the needs of this life and if you are making enough money for that, then you are being responsible enough. Any excess of that is overcompensation for pain in your heart.

I’m speaking of an entirely different outlook, and it takes courage to look at it, and even more to implement it. I think if you get to a place where you are healthier and more interdependent in all of your relationships, you can be happy no matter what you are doing. By all means, go after your dreams and don’t settle; but until you can realize them, see everything as a blessing, a chance to learn, a stepping stone on your journey, a part of your path. Give for the wrong reason, and you will be drained and depleted. Take care of yourself, don’t abandon your own needs, have a good, strong, healthy voice, and you will then have a well-spring of giving and loving to share, without the draining or counterdependent backlash. You can do this without being selfish. Use moderation. By learning to take from others (not too much but just enough), by learning to give and developing a joy for it, by learning to rest and take care of yourself without being lazy, and to be content with what you have.

Whew. Ready to move on to something else? Maybe someday we’ll do some more on this subject, but for now…Let’s roll.

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LSW is an individual, marital, and family therapist. She specializes in couples and marriage counseling, individual counseling, group and family counseling. Nancy serves the surrounding areas of Carmel, Westfield, Zionsville, Fishers, and Noblesville. E-Counseling available for residents of Indiana.

©2010, Nancy Eisenman

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LCSW is a therapist at Peace Counseling Group, serving the greater Indianapolis area. Surrounding communities include Carmel, Westfield, Fishers, Geist, Noblesville, Brownsburg, and Avon. For more information, please use the contact form or call Nancy directly at 317.605.7015.

Address: 9640 Commerce Drive
Suite 413 Carmel, IN 46032

Phone:  317.605.7015

Peace Counseling Group

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Codependency, Counterdependency, & Giving, Part 2

So we left off talking about how many codependents actually expect a trade instead of truly giving. I wanted to expound on that a little bit. You know, when a codependent person interacts with people in this way, expecting others to meet their needs in trade without asking them, it really is a form of manipulation. That’s a pretty harsh word, but that’s really what it is. Think about it, they’re doing something nice for someone so they’ll unwittingly give them what they need back. And if/when the person doesn’t meet their needs, or give-in to their manipulation, they get bitter.

Codependents are almost inevitably very bitter people if they are over the age of about 30-35, having lived for years giving (manipulating) with little or nothing in return. They are basically holding a grudge because people have not given in, read their minds, and have had good boundaries! In couples relationships, many times codependents give up, go “Coke-bottle” a few times too many, cut-off from their spouse sexually or otherwise, go to counseling or a lawyer, and end up not being able to get over their perceived betrayal of their mate who’s not meeting their needs. These folks feel as though they’ve been victimized. If you find yourself feeling as though this is describing you…let’s just give this mentality a good yank right now. You have NOT been victimized. You have been a willing participant in allowing what your life has been like, not leaving sooner, choosing your mate, and saying “I do.” Those that do not inwardly digest this truth will more than likely end up divorced, and move on to another relationship where the same pattern will begin again.

I wanted to cover another idea in this post as well. Not all giving is selfish or manipulative. I am not talking about healthy giving behavior. I’m talking about codependence. You might ask, “How can I tell the difference? If I am thinking I’m selfless and good and others are benefitting etc., does that automatically mean I’m really a selfish codependent underneath?” That is a resounding NO. This may sound simplistic, but the difference really is in the attitude. Give yourself a little litmus test by asking yourself a few questions:

• “How do I feel during and after my ‘service’ to others? Do I feel angry? Resentful? Fulfilled?”

• “Did I expect a ‘thank you’ that I didn’t receive?”

• “Do I really have the time or inclination to do this?”

• “When I was asked to do this, did I want to say ‘no’?”

• “If I wasn’t asked to do this, and I’m not enjoying it, why is that?”

Think about if you are giving out of the joy and excess love in your heart, or if you are giving because you want something in return. Anything at all: praise, thanks, for the other person to give you what you need back, or to be appreciated. Or are you doing it because you enjoy whatever you are doing for your family, friends, church, coworkers, etc.

I have the good fortune, if you will, of understanding first-hand what both codependence and counterdependence look and feel like. If you have one, you have the other somewhere (even if it’s buried)…one is just usually more prominent. Mostly in my relationship with my husband, I was codependent. Let me share with you the two best paradigm-shifting insights I received that got me on the road to recovery from codependence. The first insight is from the book by Cloud and Townsend called “Boundaries”, a must read for codependents. (I’m paraphrasing here, not quoting.) The fruit of the Spirit of self-control does not mean you keep your mouth shut and don’t have needs or boundaries. It means that you have control of your self, your space, your body, your needs, and your mouth. It means getting your needs met respectfully, gracefully, and non-manipulatively, and not tolerating the company of people that dishonor them. If someone does dishonor your respectful boundaries, then it is healthy to employ some distancing from them. Self control does NOT mean silence and submission. (The book also has some good discussion on the “wives, submit to your husbands” verse in the Bible.)

The second insight that really helped me can be paraphrased by a comment I made on another blog on this very topic.  This is what I wrote:

“I think it’s very difficult to reconcile wanting to be selfless, and…our true, healthy neediness. As a CHRISTian, I’ve lived my life as other-focused and giving and selflessly as I could. Then I learned through counseling that I needed to have good boundaries and stand up for myself and my own needs. Reconciling the two outlooks that seemed so opposite each other was SO difficult! On the one hand, I didn’t get what I needed and felt empty, and on the other hand I was being selfish and was not being a good CHRISTian. Catch 22!  Standing up for my own needs felt selfish, at first for sure. As I have gotten more emotionally healthy though, I have realized that it’s really a kind of paradox: taking care of me, and not abandoning myself or my own needs, allows me to then turn around and truly, selflessly, and almost tirelessly have a joyful well-spring of love for others. And instead of draining me, caring for others really energizes me. But it was hard for me to understand/realize that it would be that way, particularly early in recovery.”

That’s a lot more to digest, so I’ll leave it there for now. Check back in a day or two, if you can stomach it…I’ve got more!

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LSW is an individual, marital, and family therapist. She specializes in couples and marriage counseling, individual counseling, group and family counseling. Nancy serves the surrounding areas of Carmel, Westfield, Zionsville, Fishers, and Noblesville. E-Counseling available for residents of Indiana.

©2010, Nancy Eisenman

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LCSW is a therapist at Peace Counseling Group, serving the greater Indianapolis area. Surrounding communities include Carmel, Westfield, Fishers, Geist, Noblesville, Brownsburg, and Avon. For more information, please use the contact form or call Nancy directly at 317.605.7015.

Address: 9640 Commerce Drive
Suite 413 Carmel, IN 46032

Phone:  317.605.7015

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Codependency, Counterdependency, & Giving, Part 1

I’d like to do a little series of blog entries on codependency, counterdependency, and giving. I’m not sure how many posts it will entail, but it’ll be a few. (I know I promised not to use too many big therapy-type words, but I’ll give you some definitions, because I sure as heck didn’t know what they meant a few years ago before I started my recovery work! I had never even heard of them.) So anyway, let’s just jump on in, starting with those definitions.

Codependency manifests itself in many ways. The textbook symptoms are passivity, being other-oriented, overly needy, not having a strong voice, etc. Codependents do not have good boundaries with others. But if you really look underneath these behaviors closely and honestly, there actually lies the exact opposite of them as well: all codependents have an equally strong, mostly hidden, concurrently functioning counterdependent side, too. They inherently are, and can for a short time become, independent, overly confident, self-centered, and have a very loud voice also. I’ve heard it described as “the Coke bottle effect.” If you have a warm bottle of Coke and shake it up, eventually when the top is popped, you are going to be covered with a sticky mess. That’s what happens with codependents. The counterdependent side shows itself when they are pushed beyond what they can bear because of their weak boundaries and unmet needs. Allow me to explain further.
Codependents seemingly work and work for the benefit of others, selflessly giving to meet others’ needs. When it comes to their own needs however, they are too passive, and they do not have a strong enough voice to ask that their own needs get met. They lack good boundaries and let others take from them until they are emotionally, and sometimes even physically, depleted. None of this is news; there are multiple books available discussing codependency, and I’m betting you all know someone like this or are someone like this! I would like to explore a bit deeper what is underneath these behaviors, and in later posts, some other ways that codependency can manifest itself that are less mainstream.
Now, I’m gonna rock your codependent world. Ready? Being other-oriented in a codependent way is actually in a strange paradoxical sense self-serving. Yes, you read that correctly. A selfish codependent? That’s an oxymoron, right? How can someone who gives so much to others be labeled “self-serving”? In one simple way, by being selfless you can put yourself in the position of a martyr. You codependents out there, be honest with yourself. Why are you letting yourself be so other-oriented that you become worn down and tired of it all? What’s the payoff? You ARE getting a payoff, or you wouldn’t be doing it.Is doing for others turning you into a (pardon me) nag? Are you routinely sarcastic and cutting, or maybe a tad whiny? Or maybe you just collapse at the end of the day, emotionally exhausted? Can you take a look at yourself and be that honest?
All of this is because of the real, underneath reason you are “serving others”: because of your underlying need for attention, acceptance, or both. You may have a hard time seeing or admitting it, but give yourself a little test. If you feel drained by all you give instead of energized, or if you feel like you can only give if the recipient is grateful, or if you feel under-appreciated…then you ARE driven by these motivating factors. Look deep and be truthful with yourself, and you will see that I’m right.

You need others to tell you what a great person you are, how wonderful your giving is, and to be well-thought-of , respected, or liked for all you do. You have a need to be thanked. You have a need to be validated. Maybe you just want to be a “good person.” You want God to think well of you and bless you. You want to be a good CHRISTian. It could be any number of reasons that are motivated by a desire to “be good.” (And let me just say, it’s not bad to want to be good!) But the truth is, if you get worn down and tired out by giving of yourself, you absolutely are looking for and getting something in return for what you give, and that makes it ultimately self-serving and unhealthy. It stings, but it’s the truth.

Which need are you trying to get people (or even God) to fill: acceptance or attention? When you give, what are you expecting in return? Giving with an expectation of something in return is not truly giving, it’s trading. And you are expecting something in trade that the other person more than likely did not agree to!! (I would also add that it has no component of grace to it! Grace is impossible in the presence of expectation.) Ultimately, your motivations are self-serving, and out pops your counterdependence. If you feel depleted or are looking for something in return, you are giving to try to get some of your underlying needs met, and you are not having good boundaries with whatever is depleting you. You are being codependent and simultaneously counterdependent, and not as graceful and giving as you think you are. That’s the unhealthiness I want to illuminate.

That’s enough for now. Chew on it awhile and tell me what you think. Look again soon for the next installment; I have a lot more to cover!

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LSW is an individual, marital, and family therapist. She specializes in couples and marriage counseling, individual counseling, group and family counseling. Nancy serves the surrounding areas of Carmel, Westfield, Zionsville, Fishers, and Noblesville. E-Counseling available for residents of Indiana.

©2010, Nancy Eisenman

Nancy Eisenman, MSW, LCSW is a therapist at Peace Counseling Group, serving the greater Indianapolis area. Surrounding communities include Carmel, Westfield, Fishers, Geist, Noblesville, Brownsburg, and Avon. For more information, please use the contact form or call Nancy directly at 317.605.7015.

Address: 9640 Commerce Drive
Suite 413 Carmel, IN 46032

Phone:  317.605.7015

Peace Counseling Group

Contact Me

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